tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7006097.post112513546407173663..comments2023-11-05T13:46:53.493+02:00Comments on pHinnWeb: More Kompleksi Consumer FeedbackpHinnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17688446374412096166noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7006097.post-1125603484847941912005-09-01T22:38:00.000+03:002005-09-01T22:38:00.000+03:00"Electro has been stale since the mid 80's and act..."Electro has been stale since the mid 80's and acts like this certainly do not help the "scene's" legitamacy at all."<BR/><BR/>Does this person actually know what electro is? Or are they stuck in the local supermarket compilation offerings of the latest top 40 hits that the labels have told everyone else to buy?<BR/><BR/>No one claims to know everything about a scene, but to say that "Electro has been stale since the mid 80's" doesn't even derserve comment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7006097.post-1125570478605765902005-09-01T13:27:00.000+03:002005-09-01T13:27:00.000+03:00And final comments from some guy who posted the fi...And final comments from some guy who posted the first one:<BR/><BR/>now that I have seen several varied responses to my post, I can respond.<BR/>Firstly. I never said you or anyone should not be making music. I also said<BR/>with enough time and the right direction, your project could be great. I<BR/>read someone else saying this as well, although it was written in your<BR/>defense of my critique than in agreement. AS for mike not, 15yrs..? ok good<BR/>for him, varied styles and career choices can make a very dignified<BR/>portfolio. However, I m sorry but I just failed to hear this in this music.<BR/>There are some good moments for the musical structure, but again I say that<BR/>the rough vocals which are amusing do not make up for this. AS for you<BR/>overall concept, if it is on the track of social commentary about the<BR/>general state of the union of one.. you are successful in that regards,<BR/>however the overall underproducedness lends a somewhat distracting tone to<BR/>the work as a whole. Sure maybe you are after that, and as one guy said the<BR/>roughness adds a bit of excitement. But I guess I then miss most of the<BR/>major premiss of the work as a whole. Reminds me of a simplified version of<BR/>PWEI. I should then listen to the whole work and keep my fool trap shut, as<BR/>Im sure many of you would agree, instead of the few tracks offered up<BR/>online. You mention fan of prog... sure. Early 70s stuff is great, raw,<BR/>explosive, social commentary. However the major difference is the level of<BR/>sophistication. As that guy said about a classical background, this is what,<BR/>in my opinion separated the good from the great bands of the early 70s.<BR/>Innovative, new orchestrations for typical pop infuenced otherwise bland<BR/>rock. Then combined with ultra secrative gnositic concepts. Most of those<BR/>guys were from the school of Stockhausen, so the use of electronics only<BR/>hightened the complexity of the sound. The techiques done to your music is<BR/>to me nothing that hasnt been done before. Sorry. But hey, if you wanted<BR/>that and that was your attention. Then good, for you. It isnt very often I<BR/>think for a first release to be right on with the creators wishes. Often<BR/>time needs to mature the process and sounds into a heavy level of<BR/>sophistication. Like I said, stale electro sounding beats. Someone asked for<BR/>a definition of electro according to me? Hmm.. I dont really listen to it so<BR/>much as most of what ive occasionally heard played by djs since the 90s<BR/>(when i started listening to electronic music, past bands like ministry and<BR/>nin) has sounded all pretty much the same. Fat rippling saw basslines, 808<BR/>drums with some echoy claves, all with a pretty programmed feel. I<BR/>personally see the end of electro as in the 80s with albums from those<BR/>newyork underground hiphop acts and that album future shock by herbie<BR/>hancock. but I am fairly opinionated so what do I really know. I see electro<BR/>falling into the same trend as most dj oriented music, produced by djs for<BR/>an easier job at the turntables. Hence why dnb went two step and techno<BR/>still has that same stupid 4 on the floor kick drum. same with why trance<BR/>sucks now too.<BR/><BR/>as for my generalizations about the heads that hit the retro electro scene.<BR/>what? its true enough that i could write that. you all have seen it im sure.<BR/>so dont give me shit about cats that wear adidas and talk all ket while<BR/>painting tags to show up whose ever dont think they be all biff n shit. ive<BR/>seen those dudes for years around parties in usa..... gehtto ra-vahs' is<BR/>what i call em.<BR/><BR/>so while i feel slightly bad for annoying so many with my review, i am in no<BR/>ways apologizing. in the words of THE angel dust.. "and if you dont like it<BR/>then you can take it and put it where the monkey hides the nuts." because<BR/>that is the trend of an open forum such as this. and hats of to MRpHin for<BR/>making it possible even if i am "attacking him" on his home turf so to<BR/>speak, even if he says he cant manage to do anything, id say his webpages<BR/>are a good testament to what he can do.<BR/><BR/>all the best . ******pHinnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17688446374412096166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7006097.post-1125567077279355722005-09-01T12:31:00.000+03:002005-09-01T12:31:00.000+03:00Look, no need to apologize, really. But apology ac...Look, no need to apologize, really. But apology accepted, anyway. As I said, I was merely illustrating a point that this guy (who wrote the comment in your entry) probably wasn't thinking straight either.<BR/><BR/>Keep up the good work. <BR/>Rspct.Tiedemieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08307419899926184187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7006097.post-1125397899527217152005-08-30T13:31:00.000+03:002005-08-30T13:31:00.000+03:00So, Bigmouth stroke again... Probably alcohol had ...So, Bigmouth stroke again... Probably alcohol had something to do with it. Apologies and all things like that. The best skill I have personally learned along the years is just keeping my mouth shut. Too bad I can't always totally master that skill.pHinnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17688446374412096166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7006097.post-1125382708995324702005-08-30T09:18:00.000+03:002005-08-30T09:18:00.000+03:00Please, really please don't feel bad about the thi...Please, really <I>please</I> don't feel bad about the thing I brought up. I was not offended even at the time (six years ago!) let alone holding any grudge. I just happen to rememeber it since it was such a peculiar situation. There were some people interviewing you in YO-talo and I was there also. These guys wanted to know what you think of the "scene" in Tampere at that time, and you said there is a lot of crap, mentioned a few clubs and artists as examples. Our club project - which was tied to our musical project at the time - was mentioned in passing as one example of "shit". <BR/><BR/>My guess is, this guy was frustrated by something else entirely - as were you at the time I heard you making those comments - and not really lashing out on the music per se. <BR/><BR/>No hard feelings whatsoever.Tiedemieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08307419899926184187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7006097.post-1125324619293844212005-08-29T17:10:00.000+03:002005-08-29T17:10:00.000+03:00Hmm, what was the name of your project, and what w...Hmm, what was the name of your project, and what was the forum/context where I presented my critique about your material? Because I suppose I probably wouldn't make similar comments now as I did back in 1999 when I was six years younger, six years more naive, six years stupider and six year more arrogant than I am now...pHinnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17688446374412096166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7006097.post-1125314368519891602005-08-29T14:19:00.000+03:002005-08-29T14:19:00.000+03:00I think you are right. This guy has some points to...I think you are right. This guy has some points to what he is saying, and I think you are misinterpreting that. The part of not being able to play and stuff is wrong and the jumpsuit-spraypaint-argument misses its mark in this case.<BR/><BR/>I think he just has different ideas of how hte electro scene should be developing. Not that he shouldn't be nicer.<BR/><BR/>Bottom line, you can't really tell whether this guy is making a legit point or not. The way he says it makes me think he is bitter about something. Maybe he has gotten some bad feedback for overambitious "musically valid" projects or perhaps he felt like an outsidet at an electro-club. Whatever his reasons are, we can only guess.<BR/><BR/>I never learned to play or mix or nothing myself, but have been making music for some 15 odd years. The last 5 have been slow (= dead stop), though. I never really bothered to listen to critics either.<BR/><BR/>So what am I saying here? Dunno, really. You should just do the thing you do and the hell with these punks, what do they know.<BR/><BR/><B><I>don't get this wrong:</I></B> I distinctly remember you handing some blunt and rather non-specific critique on some of the stuff we were doing circa -99. I did not mind that at all, and have no hard feelings about it though. Just an example how the stuff one says might have a very different flavour depending on context and so on...Tiedemieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08307419899926184187noreply@blogger.com