Wednesday, March 15, 2006

pHinnWeb To Be Deleted From Wikipedia?

I just checked "Gimme a reason to keep this" had kindly posted a proposition "that this article be deleted, because of the following concern":

"Fails WP:WEB: no media coverage -- Does this outfit really deserve three articles: him, his site and his recording studio?"

What does this "no media coverage" exactly mean? What kind of media are we talking about? Do the past mentions of pHinnWeb in such magazines as The Wire, de:bug, Future Music, Muzik, or Finnish City, etc. count?

Also pHinnMilk Recordings entry ("no claim to notability") had met with up this same fate too. (By the way, pHinnMilk is not a "recording studio"; it's just a small CD-R label run by me.) Only pHinn entry seems to have met with those Wikiboys' blessing.

Well, whatever... these people have got their own reasonings. Their favourite way to justify themselves is to claim that "You know, there are rules" (in the way of Orwell's Animal Farm of some animals being more equal than others, I guess?), and so on.

And this inspires me to divert quite a bit. I guess there's a sort of human type I've never learned to understand, a sort of people who love honing facts to death (some call this "nitpicking") and being eternal besserwissers -- unfortunately, besserwisserism has a tendency turn into lesserwisserism: paradoxically, the more one learns and knows about the complex workings of this world, the less one in fact knows; since although seemingly there are no limits to knowledge, there are limits to understanding.

Their little world will probably just collapse if they can't have their say on everything, have a control of every tiny fact. Their world, which they so dutifully strive to keep in order, is in fact a house of cards unable to stand even a tiniest breeze. Wikipedia is probably the ideal playground for them (don't get me wrong, I think as a concept Wikipedia is wonderful; I obviously just don't get the mindset of some individual people editing it).

Is this Asperger's Syndrome? Anal retention? Sociopathy? (Well, just look in the mirror, Mr. pHinn!) Oh well. I suppose this is a kind of thing that is in no way in my own hands now. The end of another therapy writing session, pHinn signs out for now.


the X said...

in Norway, it's called the Law of Jante:

1. You shall not think that you are special.
2. You shall not think that you are of the same standing as us.
3. You shall not think that you are smarter than us.
4. Don’t fancy yourself as being better than us.
5. You shall not think that you know more than us.
6. You shall not think that you are more important than us.
7. You shall not think that you are good at anything.
8. You shall not laugh at us.
9. You shall not think that anyone cares about you.
10. You shall not think that you can teach us anything.

(derives from the the novel "En flygtning krysser sitt spor" ("A refugee crosses his tracks") by the Norwegian/Danish author Aksel Sandemose. The book takes place in an imaginary Danish small town called Jante, based on Sandemose's hometown Nykøbing Mors.
The book is about the ugly sides of Scandinavian smalltown mentality, and the term "Janteloven" meaning "the Jante Law" has come to mean the unspoken rules and jealousy of such communities in general.)

IMO it's not only a sad fact or the small-minded mentality in scandi communities in general, symptomatic for societies anywhere, anytime...
A kind of Universal Jealousy Law.


Juri said...

I believe that our man pHinn knows Jante's law...

I'm not really deep into Wikipedia's editor's rules, but this strikes as everything opposite to the original idea. Then again, you might say that if there were no rules, then your ordinary John Doe could write article(s) about himself without any real substance.

But wasn't that web supposed to be?

Juri said...

Sorry, my last line was supposed to read:

But wasn't that what web was supposed to be?

casionova said...

This Jesse character who deleted phinnweb does not have any way of contacting him - there isnt even a wikipedia user contact.

The ironic thing is that the kind of politics he espouses, albeit in a very californian way, are very similar to what phinnweb seems to be about.

Also the deletion appeared to be an 'on sight' deletion that contravenes wikipedia recommendations - if the reason was what that Jesse *ahem* person stated.

Absolutely no attempt was made by Jesse to visit the pHinnweb archives or drop in on the mailing list to inform any pHinnweb users of his plans and to provide justification for keeping phinnweb in wikipedia.

pHinnweb very clearly does fall under the category for vanity listing for wikipedia.

I spent ages clicking around wikipedia - how does this entry get restored, contact made with JesseW (the juggling admin - cripes, I am VERY familiar with the juggling+ programmer type - man if I see him I'm going to mess with his mills big time!), or contact with admins about this Jesse's goddisposition? beat me.

did anyone mirror the original page before it got nuked? I'm happy to post it up to save pHinn from further accusations of being a rampaging egomaniac. (a rampaging maniac of some sort - but definately not ego -- hmm, how can a Californian accuse a Finn of vanity?)

casionova said...

oops meant to type:

"pHinnweb very clearly does NOT fall into the vanity posting category"

zache said...

My opinnion of deletion of pHinnWeb and pHinnMilk is that they should have been composed to one article. They had a point there that three different articles weren't good idea.

Anyway i returned those deleted under pHinn at wikipedia.

pHinn said...

I suppose I don't want to dwell on this subject any more, so I think combining those three articles as one was probably the best thing to do in this situation. Thanks.